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IEEE History Center: Ivan Getting Abstract

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Ivan Getting Interview (February 25, 1995)

Ivan Getting was professor of electrical engineering at MIT, president of Aerospace Corporation, vice-president of Raytheon, and president of IEEE in 1978. He received several degrees in physics, including a D. Phil. in astrophysics. He worked at MIT's Radiation Laboratory during World War II, became a professor of electrical engineering at MIT in 1946, and became president of the Aerospace Corporation in 1960. He worked closely with the Department of Defense and served on several White House committees. He became president of IEEE in 1978. The interview begins with a discussion of the various ways Getting has combined physics with electrical engineering throughout his career. After some treatment of his role in the U.S. space program and space-related defense systems, the interview focuses on his president of IEEE in 1978. Significant issues covered include Getting's desire to keep IEEE out of political advocacy; his belief in the transnational character of science; debates over age discrimination, pensions, and the possible "unionization" of IEEE. Getting stresses his belief that IEEE must remain a democratic organization responsive to the needs of its members. The interview concludes with Getting's statements praising today's higher levels of scientific advancement and the comparative lack of sophistication of previous professional organizations (IRE and AIEE) due to lower levels of scientific development.

See also Interview #77, Ivan Getting (June 11, 1991)


Table of Contents

1

Identity of physicist and electrical engineer

 

Degree work in physics

 

Difficulty getting engineering license

2

Ownership of patent to gun-fire control system Mark 56

 

General Electric plant in Pittsfield, MA

 

Physicists at MIT Rad Lab

3

Issue of hiring physicists to do systems engineering

 

Rise of electrical engineering Ph.D's

4

Nature of physics experimentation, 1930s-40s

 

Work with Arthur Compton on cosmic rays

5

Work with high-frequency pulse circuits

 

Physicist who as EE's

 

Building 350 million volt synchrotron at MIT after war

6

Functioning as engineer at Radiation Lab and afterwards

 

Head of fire control division at Radiation Lab

7

Systems design for fire control

 

Automatic radar tracking of aircraft for Dubridge

8

Signal Corps Radio Number 584

 

Joined IRE in 1946

 

Professor of engineering in 1946

 

IRE Proceedings

9

Kept up with radio frequency field through Proceedings

 

Pioneer Award from IEEE Aerospace & Electronics Society

 

MTT Society in IEEE/IRE

 

Chairman of DOD Radar Panel

 

Lack of technical support in Air Force after World War II; dependence on Army Signal Corps

10

Assistant for Development Planning at Pentagon

 

Establishment of Lincoln Laboratory

 

Resigned from MIT and went to work at Raytheon

 

IRE fellow in 1954

 

1963 merger

11

IEEE activities

 

Space race

 

1960 president of Aerospace Corporation

12

Aerospace Corporation

 

Mercury and Gemini astronauts

 

1970 reduction in expenditures for NASA

13

DOD space expenditures

 

Job opportunities for electrical engineers in the early 1970s

 

Minuteman III missiles; slowdown

14

Slowdown in bomber field

 

Cutbacks in entire aircraft industry in 1970s

15

IEEE as labor union? Irwin Feerst

 

1977 asked to run for presidency of IEEE

 

Service on White House Committees, incl. Vietnam Committee

 

Working engineer as v. research engineer or manager

16

DOD and engineers

17

In Pentagon during Korean War under General Gordon Servile

 

Dialogue between USAF and aircraft companies

 

Electronics business

18

Feerst and "profession"; foreign engineers

 

Sanders as president in 1977

 

IEEE as member society, democracy at work

19

IEEE as decentered organization

 

Bureaucracies of various professional organizations

20

Feerst opposes elite/academic control of IEEE

 

Moves as IEEE president to offset Fierst's propaganda

21

IEEE as, democracy, learned society

22

Portable pensions; fears of unionization

23

Congress limiting DOD spending at Aerospace

 

Board of IEEE: Dick Emberson, Donald Fink, Saunders

24

Debate with Feerst

25

Harvard Society of Fellows; definition of prejudice

 

1970s IEEE policy statement about nuclear energy

26

IEEE to stay out of public policy except to explain

27

Safe dosage of radio waves

 

Raytheon and radar range/microwave oven

 

FCC and radio frequencies

28

Kumar Patel and public policy (American Physical Society)

29

Presidency of IEEE

 

Roberts' Rules of Order

30

Presidency of IEEE

31

East Coast bias of IEEE

 

Wage busting; contracts

32

Eric Herz as IEEE general manager

33

Eric Herz

 

Changing presidential election

34

Les Hogan as IEEE vice president

 

Hogan and ferrites

35

Hogan opposed "unionization" of IEEE

36

IEEE Foundation set up as 501C3

37

IEEE staff in Piscataway; Emily Surjane, Dick Emberson

38

Founders Society and New York

39

Science as transnational

 

Trip to India as IEEE president

 

British IEE

40

IEEE chapters in Singapore, Australia, New Zealand

 

Internationalization of IEEE

 

Trip to Japan

41

Japan and IEEE

 

Establishment of History Center

42

Standards legislation

43

IEEE and voluntary standards

 

Cellular phones and standards activity

44

IEEE and technology and manpower forecasting

45

Committee on Registration

 

No registration for aeronautical engineers

46

Insurance for insurability

47

Professional opportunities for women

 

Accreditation

48

Age discrimination

49

Patent rights for engineers

 

Raytheon and patent agreements

50

RCA as patent pool for GE, Westinghouse, and AT&T